tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post3409467785301425713..comments2024-02-24T19:28:28.716+11:00Comments on Psallite Sapienter: Yes, Father, No, Father...Joshuahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-76718565435065875172009-08-03T23:58:14.876+10:002009-08-03T23:58:14.876+10:00Well, what about their pastoral care for a start? ...Well, what about their pastoral care for a start? That includes making sure that they get proper breaks and aren't overburdened. Unlike the other clergy in the diocese, TLM priests really have to organise their own replacements and can't rely on 90% of their brother priests for support in this regard. It also includes making sure that they get treated like any other parish or chaplaincy -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-79692343703083176772009-08-02T09:33:00.196+10:002009-08-02T09:33:00.196+10:00I don't think I'm having it both ways at a...I don't think I'm having it both ways at all. My comment about bishops being unsupportive was one about the individuals concerned - one only has to look at the historical record in each diocese to see that. True there are a few who have celebrated the TLM over the years, and that number is increasing. But a lot of that 'support' was ambivalent at best, and today looks more like Kate Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000040465724868745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-32664510441677561952009-07-30T01:46:38.290+10:002009-07-30T01:46:38.290+10:00Terra, on the one hand you say that priests are th...Terra, on the one hand you say that priests are the responsibility of their bishops, on the other your indicate that you think bishops are collectively (ie. through the Conference) unsupportive of the TLM. You can't have it both ways. I think a committee might be a way of indicating to the bishops that these priests ARE their responsibility, and that they may have to consider how their needs Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-81575999211646920522009-07-28T08:41:42.554+10:002009-07-28T08:41:42.554+10:00Priests, traditional or otherwise, are part of a d...Priests, traditional or otherwise, are part of a diocese and the responsibility of their bishop (and superior in the case of FSSP and religious). If there is a problem with a particular priest, tell him, and if doesn't work, take it up with their superior/and or bishop.<br /><br />Is the problem systemic? Perhaps, in which case taking it up publicly is the right course, but I think the juryKate Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000040465724868745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-26162154380928647592009-07-27T01:56:32.958+10:002009-07-27T01:56:32.958+10:00Joshua, I don't think you've been sniping....Joshua, I don't think you've been sniping. You've raised some serious issues which I think need to be addressed. I don't really know how to go about addressing them though.<br /><br />Your posting raises questions about the pastoral care both by AND for Extraordinary Form priests. Maybe they've all been left to their own devices for too long. One wonders if it would be well Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-1766673933628971842009-07-26T17:22:07.313+10:002009-07-26T17:22:07.313+10:00True, Terra, I take your points - priests are inde...True, Terra, I take your points - priests are indeed meant to sit between the layman and the monk, both active and contemplative (Martha and Mary, so to speak), and furthermore I for one don't begrudge the clergy, secular or regular, their innocent pastimes. The bow cannot always be bent.<br /><br />Sniping is unfair, and I hope I haven't been too tactless or uncharitable in making Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-32773759334652729052009-07-26T15:02:47.708+10:002009-07-26T15:02:47.708+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kate Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000040465724868745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-68022727487316379492009-07-26T14:00:28.193+10:002009-07-26T14:00:28.193+10:00As for mutual support - I can be terribly naive: t...As for mutual support - I can be terribly naive: toward the end of Juventutem at WYD, I innocently remarked on the apparent absence of certain Sydney priests and hangers-on from the festivities, and it was as if I'd belched in public by mentioning what mustn't be mentioned.<br /><br />As Bp Jarrett once told me, "In the old days we all believed the same thing - and we hated each Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-64281300162256090282009-07-26T13:57:32.984+10:002009-07-26T13:57:32.984+10:00Hmmm, no, I suspect I've said a little too muc...Hmmm, no, I suspect I've said a little too much already: there are many priests I regard highly, some of whom might be annoyed by my (honestly meant) constructive criticisms.<br /><br />I think the central point is that priests of whatever stripe can appear to laymen not too hard working... I too know a priest who due to a maze of circumstances had perforce to hold down a full-time job for Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-30730083025812901722009-07-26T13:32:41.077+10:002009-07-26T13:32:41.077+10:00Agreed, Joshua: an copy-paste job of this posting ...Agreed, Joshua: an copy-paste job of this posting as an Oriens article might be too inflammatory. Your posting does, however, raise some serious questions about what Latin Mass Communities should expect of their chaplains. And that is something I think needs to be put out there in the open. Summorum Pontificum has changed the playing field significantly: the Extraordinary Form is no longer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-5702796266106380052009-07-26T10:33:33.259+10:002009-07-26T10:33:33.259+10:00Terra - nice to hear from you: I'd feared you&...Terra - nice to hear from you: I'd feared you'd dropt off the radar. Please resume blogging.<br /><br />Let's not get sidetracked into the problem of traddies biting and tearing each other: that's for another discussion.<br /><br />Ditto for the reason why we do struggle: the doubt and disorder all around us.<br /><br />I refer in my post to the problem of parishioners feeling Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-5177780953602153432009-07-26T09:44:00.011+10:002009-07-26T09:44:00.011+10:00Can I suggest that you are both being overly criti...Can I suggest that you are both being overly critical? I'm no clericalist but while we are not in danger of martyrdom, in many places we are in danger of losing the faith. <br /><br />Somehow obstructionism and harrassment is worse when it comes from those who should be friends, and at a time when we are looking for solidarity to counter the forces of secularism. So those priests who Kate Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000040465724868745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-64207870822374483302009-07-26T08:04:57.239+10:002009-07-26T08:04:57.239+10:00I accept the above comments, though perhaps the fi...I accept the above comments, though perhaps the first suggestion would be a little inflammatory if I tried to implement it!<br /><br />Again, I do in fact greatly value priests, but did need to let off steam about some issues... issues that your comments prove not to be entirely my own personal gripes, or the recycled remarks of concerned others.<br /><br />I like the phrase - Terra's I thinkJoshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17387698013828199070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-48047048468895024882009-07-26T06:44:07.950+10:002009-07-26T06:44:07.950+10:00Hmm, I certainly agree with your sentiment about t...Hmm, I certainly agree with your sentiment about the foibles of our priests (grateful as we need to be about them).<br /><br />But when it comes to the missionary mentality, I'm not sure the old days are entirely over yet. And I have a certain sympathy for priests who have no support within their dioceses, so need the occasional traddie event to remember that there are brother priests who doAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-75658662239375567022009-07-26T05:53:47.779+10:002009-07-26T05:53:47.779+10:00I do remember one priest saying to me once upon a ...I do remember one priest saying to me once upon a time "You Australians, "being busy" is your national sport."<br /><br />There are many good Catholic men out there who when they come home just want a beer, a chance to be with their wife and kids and to unwind. Not to be dragged off to some strange thing Father wants them to do.<br /><br />I spoke once to a priest who went Quasi Seminarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12845377339839561136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2031371770440010046.post-32869972987566675412009-07-26T05:35:19.072+10:002009-07-26T05:35:19.072+10:00I agree totally...
Maybe you should:
1. Send thi...I agree totally...<br /><br />Maybe you should:<br /><br />1. Send this to Oriens as an article for publication,<br />2. Send it to certain priests, with the reminder that Australia ceased to be a mission country in 1976!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com